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anticapitalista
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Post subject: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:18 pm |
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Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:55 pm Posts: 3608 Location: Greece
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If you have antiX-M7.5 and later then you can post the output of inxi -F.
Is anyone runing antiX on really old specs (relatively speaking of course) like 128MB RAM or less and less than 500Mhz CPU?
I have a Dell laptop that runs antiX-M8 with 500Mhz CPU and 384MB RAM. antiX runs very well on it, though opening lots of apps at the same time cause it to strain a bit.
_________________ Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
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secipolla
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:04 pm |
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Joined: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:56 pm Posts: 1212 Location: São Paulo / Brazil
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I'm preventing myself of giving an opinion if antiX is light enough or not because, while this is far from being a super machine (Celeron 2.53 GHz + 768 MB RAM), it's more than enough to run antiX pretty fast.
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p^h
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:54 am |
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Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:25 am Posts: 3 Location: DFW, Texas
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I'm running M7.5, but can't get the command inxi -F to work, but anyway, just running a plain-jane vanilla workstation box with an Intel board, i810 chipset, integrated grafix & sound, PIII 800 mhz cpu, 384 mb ram, 20 gig ide hdd. I'm also using an Airlink (Texas Instruments) pci wireless card. Works beautifully, except for graphics-intensive apps & websites - YouTube is ok, but a bit choppy. My low ram & weak video setup is mostly to blame there, I think. btw, I gave M8 a spin, works great except for whatever reason, the wireless card has trouble connecting consistently. But I'm a happy camper with 7.5 
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Zhymm
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:20 am |
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Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:15 am Posts: 3 Location: Edge of the Milky Way Galaxy
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This computer is a Dell Latitude D600 - output of inxi -F: glenn@mepis1:~$ inxi -F System: Host mepis1 Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8.2 ΑΝΤΑΡΣΥΑ-MUTINY! 22 May 2009 CPU: Single core Intel Pentium M (UP) cache 1024 KB flags (sse2) bmips 2798.18 clocked at 1400.00 MHz Graphics: Card ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1400x1050@60.0hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller driver Intel ICH at ports b800 bc40 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card-1 Broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller driver ndiswrapper Card-2 Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M Gigabit Ethernet driver tg3 v: 3.94 Disks: HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (9.7% used) 1: /dev/hda HTS548060M9AT00 60.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 16G used: 1.9G (13%) ID:/home size: 27G used: 3.6G (15%) ID:swap-1 size: 1.08GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 72 Uptime 2:04 Memory 126.9/1010.0MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11 glenn@mepis1:~$ end output --- antiX M8 is the first (and only, so far) distro I've tried that successfully configured the Broadcom BCM 4306 wireless OOTB on this old Dell lappy! And the main reason it's still on here (plus I like antiX (the OS ... not sure about the person  ) and Fluxbox). I do have an old box (BIOS is dated 1998) with AMD K6 @ 150 MHz, 198 MB RAM at school that did run antiX 6.5 for a long time (never installed to HD because it didn't have a HD at the time (lol)). When I get to school tomorrow I'll check its inxi -F if peeps are interested in the output. That box currently runs DSL (w/ kernel 2.4.30), but only because the small 800 MB HD I threw in it is too small to install Spartacus. Old Man Zhymm
_________________ antiX user No. 165 <-- gee, I wish that was my weight (in lbs.), I'd probably feel (and look) better.
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andrea
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:26 am |
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Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:48 am Posts: 16 Location: Rural New York
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Hi! I have a pretty snappy Dell inspiron E1405 ,I'm happy with Antix! (Except for something strange going on with the time zone  ) inxi -F output..... System: Host truffle Kernel 2.6.29-4.slh.1-sidux-686 i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8 Intifada! 12 February 2009 CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 T5500 (SMP) cache 2048 KB flags (sse3 nx lm vmx) bmips 6649.24 Clock Speeds: (1) 1667.00 MHz (2) 1667.00 MHz Graphics: Card Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1280x800@60.0hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller driver HDA Intel Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.18a Network: Card-1 Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX Card-2 Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection driver iwlagn Disks: HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (21.0% used) 1: /dev/sda 80.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 43G used: 16G (40%) ID:swap-1 size: 0.54GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 91 Uptime 1:13 Memory 361.4/3287.5MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11
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rokytnji
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:17 am |
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Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:44 am Posts: 1554 Location: Pecos, Texas
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IBM T-23 Code: ~$ inxi -F System: Host harry Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8 Intifada! 12 February 2009 CPU: Single core Mobile Intel Pentium III - M (UP) cache 512 KB flags (sse) bmips 2398.86 clocked at 1197.00 MHz Graphics: Card S3 SuperSavage IX/C SDR X.Org 1.4.2 Res 1024x768@60.0hz Audio: Card Intel 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller driver Intel ICH at ports 1c00 18c0 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card-1 Intel 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller driver e100 v: 3.5.23-k4-NAPI at port 6400 Card-2 RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI driver rt61pci v: 2.1.8 Disks: HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (3.4% used) 1: /dev/hda ST980815A 80.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 16G used: 2.6G (18%) ID: swap:/dev/hda3 size: 1.04GB Info: Processes 76 Uptime 32 min Memory 136.0/1009.7MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.1
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oldhoghead
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:22 pm |
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Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:50 pm Posts: 493 Location: DFW
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Installed on this laptop, also run 8.2 on a usb hdd,
$ inxi -F System: Host mepis1 Kernel 2.6.28-4.slh.3-sidux-686 i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M7.7-test2 CPU: Single core Intel Pentium M (UP) cache 2048 KB flags (sse2) bmips 3588.13 clocked at 1800.00 MHz Graphics: Card Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1280x800@60.0hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller driver Intel ICH at ports 1c00 18c0 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.18rc3 Network: Card-1 Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX driver b44 v: 2.0 Card-2 Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2] Network Connection driver ipw2200 v: 1.2.2kmprq Disks: HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (5.3% used) 1: /dev/sda FUJITSU MHT2080A 80.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 6.9G used: 2.9G (45%) ID:/home size: 20G used: 1.1G (6%) ID:swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 79 Uptime 46 min Memory 228.2/993.7MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11
cheers, oldhoghead
_________________ Never belive anything until it has been officially denied. Claude Cockburn (1904-1981)
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anticapitalista
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:14 pm |
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Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:55 pm Posts: 3608 Location: Greece
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On a separate partition, just fully dist-upgraded. Note antiX version. Code: ~$ inxi -F System: Host mepis1 Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M7.01-Lysistrata Base version 26 December 2007. CPU: Dual core AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (SMP) cache 1024 KB flags (sse3 nx lm svm) bmips 8782.74 Clock Speeds: (1) 2194.740 MHz (2) 2194.740 MHz Graphics: Card nVidia G86 [GeForce 8400 GS] X.Org 1.6.0 Res: 1024x768@50.0hz GLX Renderer N/A GLX Version N/A Direct Rendering N/A Audio: Card ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) driver HDA Intel Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller driver r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI at port e800 Disks: HDD Total Size: 480.1GB (14.9% used) 1: /dev/sda WDC WD1600AAJS-0 160.0GB 2: /dev/sdb ST3320620AS 320.1GB Partition: ID:/ size: 9.9G used: 6.5G (70%) ID:swap-1 size: 1.12GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 81 Uptime 22 min Memory 216.2/3042.0MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11
_________________ Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
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eriefisher
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:05 am |
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Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:16 pm Posts: 1527 Location: Canada's South Coast
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My laptop: Code: System: Host compaq Kernel 2.6.29-4.dmz.4-liquorix-686 i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M7.2 CPU: Single core AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-32 (UP) cache 512 KB flags (sse3 nx lm) bmips 3593.6 clocked at 1800.00 MHz Graphics: Card ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) X.Org 1.6.1.901 Res: 1280x800@60.1hz GLX Renderer Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 NO-TCL GLX Version 1.3 Mesa 7.4.1 Direct Rendering Yes Audio: Card ATI IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller driver ATI IXP AC97 controller Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.18a Network: Card-1 Broadcom BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller driver b43-pci-bridge Card-2 Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver 8139too at port a000 Disks: HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (67.2% used) 1: /dev/sda ST98823A 80.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 9.5G used: 8.6G (95%) ID:swap-1 size: 0.27GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 111 Uptime 14:18 Memory 196.9/1390.3MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.15 My server. Just booted it back up due to a power failure so it's fresh. I will repost it after a few day to see if it's different: Code: System: Host server running Linux 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 Distro antiX-M8-test2 15 November 2008 CPU: Single Core Celeron (Mendocino) cache 128 KB bmips 930.26 clocked at 465.249 MHz CPU Flags fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr up Graphics: Card Intel 82810 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller | X.Org 1.6.1.901 | Res 1280x800@60.1hz GLX Renderer Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 NO-TCL | GLX Version 1.3 Mesa 7.4.1 Audio: Card-1 Intel 82801AB AC'97 Audio Controller driver ICH Card-2 MPU-401 UART Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card Winbond Electronics Corp W89C940 at port 3000 Disks: HDD Total Size: 258.7GB (13.3% used) (1)/dev/hda ST38410A 8.6GB (2)/dev/sda ST3250824A 250.1GB Partition: ID:/ size: 7.4G used: 3.0G (42%) ID: swap:/dev/hda2 size: 0.55GB Info: Processes 98 | Uptime 14 min | Memory 92.2/247.8MB | Client Shell | inxi v:0.5.31
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rokytnji
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:27 am |
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Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:44 am Posts: 1554 Location: Pecos, Texas
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Asus eeepc 900 running 8.2 live USB Code: demo@mepis1:~$ inxi -F System: Host mepis1 Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8.2 Tȟašúŋke Witkó - Crazy Horse 30 May 2009 CPU: Single core Intel Celeron M (UP) cache 512 KB flags (sse2 nx) bmips 1800.18 clocked at 900.088 MHz Graphics: Card Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1024x600@59.5hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card Intel 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller driver HDA Intel Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card-1 Atheros AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter driver ath_pci v: svn Card-2 Attansic Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter driver atl2 v: 2.0.5 Disks: HDD Total Size: 30.1GB (1.6% used) 1: /dev/sda ASUS-PHISON SSD 4.0GB 2: /dev/sdb ASUS-PHISON SSD 16.1GB 3: USB /dev/sdc CardReader SD0 8.0GB 4: USB /dev/sdd DataTraveler 2.0 2.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 16M used: 107K (1%) Info: Processes 100 Uptime 2:47 Memory 203.6/1001.8MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.15 demo@mepis1:~$
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raineater
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:55 am |
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Joined: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:42 pm Posts: 1 Location: Canada
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My little playpen - very old Thinkpad 600X. On boot into runlevel 2 with my custom kernel (built the easy way with kernelcheck) I'm using only about 19MB (was ~23MB with MEPIS kernel). I just use: $ . startx > /dev/null 2>&1 And I'm still using under 30 MB with full fluxbox and conky. After opening several xterm and ssh sessions and firefox with 30+ tabs and email and emacs I'm still using less than 200MB. Firefox and xorg continued bloat slowly consumes more ram, but I'm always fiddling with something too so maybe it's just history and caching. This box started antiX life with 6.5, then 7, then the shell-script upgrade to 7.2. Now I'm just using the repos  System: Host ant2 Kernel 2.6.29.4-ultimate-se6 i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M7.2 CPU: Single core Pentium III (Coppermine) (UP) cache 256 KB flags (-) bmips 896.79 clocked at 448.397 MHz Graphics: Card Neomagic NM2360 [MagicMedia 256ZX] X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1024x768@60.0hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] driver Sound Fusion CS46xx Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.18a Network: Card Atheros AR5212/AR5213 Multiprotocol MAC/baseband processor driver ath5k v: 0.6.0 Info: Processes 88 Uptime 2 days Memory 228.2/439.5MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11 I have a 650MHz CPU card on the way - can't wait to see if it will work... Thanks anti for all your work.
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:43 am |
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Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:42 pm Posts: 848 Location: Florida, USA
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Here's antix8 running on my oldest box, a Dell Laptop about 10 years old.
System: Host oldlaptop Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8 Intifada! 12 February 2009 CPU: Single core Pentium III (Coppermine) (UP) cache 256 KB flags (sse) bmips 1403.62 clocked at 701.578 MHz Graphics: Card ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x X.Org 1.6.1.901 Res: 1024x768@85.0hz GLX Renderer Software Rasterizer GLX Version 2.1 Mesa 7.4.1 Direct Rendering Yes Audio: Card ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E driver ES1968 (ESS Maestro) at port 1400 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card Broadcom BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller driver b43-pci-bridge Disks: HDD Total Size: 27.4GB (36.6% used) 1: /dev/hda IBM-DARA-225000 25.4GB 2: USB /dev/sda USB Flash Drive 2.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 9.7G used: 3.5G (38%) ID:/home size: 13G used: 5.9G (49%) ID:swap-1 size: 1.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 82 Uptime 6 min Memory 82.4/248.8MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11
It actually runs very well in this box. I'll post other boxes.
Pedro
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:46 pm |
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Sincere compliments on a job well done--from an ibm scsi machine that nothing even boots anymore (doesn't include modules or doesn't probe if it includes the modules)
shutting off dma was all it took; this is my first look at any antix and it's very very impressive.
thanks!
grindstone
demo@mepis1:~$ inxi -F System: Host mepis1 Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8.2 Tȟašúŋke Witkó - Crazy Horse 16 June 2009 CPU: Single core Pentium II (Klamath) (UP) cache 512 KB flags (-) bmips 532.97 clocked at 265.909 MHz Graphics: Card S3 86c775/86c785 [Trio 64V2/DX or /GX] X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1024x768@71.0hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card Failed to Detect Sound Card! Network: Card Intel 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 driver e100 at port ff40 Disks: HDD Total Size: 4.3GB (-) 1: /dev/sda DCAS-34330W !# 4.3GB Partition: ID:/ size: 16M used: 101K (1%) ID:swap-1 size: 0.33GB used: 0.02GB (7%) Info: Processes 77 Uptime 1:24 Memory 82.4/153.6MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.16
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:44 am |
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This is the system running e17;
System: Host singe Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8-base Intifada! 12 February 2009 CPU: Single core Intel Pentium 4 (HT) cache 512 KB flags (sse2) bmips 5213.96 Clock Speeds: (1) 2605.905 MHz (2) 2605.905 MHz Graphics: Card nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 1440x900@60.0hz GLX Renderer N/A GLX Version N/A Direct Rendering N/A Audio: Card-1 Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 driver EMU10K1_Audigy at port d100 Card-2 Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controllerdriver Intel ICH at ports ea00 eb00 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver 8139too v: 0.9.28 at port d000 Disks: HDD Total Size: 223.9GB (2.0% used) 1: /dev/hda Maxtor 6Y160P0 163.9GB 2: USB /dev/sda 0VE-07HDT0 60.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 9.7G used: 3.1G (34%) ID:/home size: 140G used: 1.2G (1%) ID:swap-1 size: 1.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 77 Uptime 13:09 Memory 195.4/1010.1MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.11
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rokytnji
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Post subject: Re: What specs are you running antiX on? Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:17 am |
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Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:44 am Posts: 1554 Location: Pecos, Texas
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Amrel RT 686 EX, Pentium III, 376 mb ram, 6gig HD, Netgear PCMCIA Wireless, Broken mouse pad, using External PS1 Optical Mouse. Code: biker@biker:~$ inxi -F System: Host biker Kernel 2.6.27-1-mepis-smp i686 (32 bit) Distro antiX-M8.2 Tȟašúŋke Witkó - Crazy Horse 12 June 2009 CPU: Single core Pentium III (Coppermine) (UP) cache 256 KB flags (sse) bmips 1396.43 clocked at 698.131 MHz Graphics: Card ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x X.Org 1.4.2 Res: 800x600@85.0hz GLX Renderer Mesa GLX Indirect GLX Version 1.4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.4) Direct Rendering No Audio: Card ESS ES1988 Allegro-1 driver Maestro3 at port e800 Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Version 1.0.17 Network: Card-1 Realtek RTL8180L 802.11b MAC driver rtl8180 at port 1000 Card-2 Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver 8139too v: 0.9.28 at port e400 Disks: HDD Total Size: 6.0GB (25.9% used) 1: /dev/hda TOSHIBA MK6015MAP 6.0GB Partition: ID:/ size: 5.1G used: 1.5G (31%) ID:swap-1 size: 0.52GB used: 0.00GB (0%) Info: Processes 75 Uptime 11 min Memory 94.8/375.6MB Client Shell inxi 1.0.16
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