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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:24 pm 
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Thanks for posting back :)

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unetbootin-windows-408.exe to put antiX-M8.5-rc2.iso on my Flash Drive


I see where you went different from me. I don't run Windows. I used the Linux Version of Unetbootin. And Yep. I have used Unetbootin a bunch. So Pendrive is Always formatted as Fat 32.

If your method using Windows Unetbootin works on 1.1 USB with Plop Boot Manager (which I am assuming you made the floppy in Windows)
Please Let me know. Also if you have any links or notes for making the PLOP Boot Manager Floppy Disk using Windows so I can include a Windows way of doing it in the Wiki. Appreciate any feedback.

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:35 am 
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Mine was installed with antix2usb-gui in ext2. The partition is seen alright but for some reason it can't read the iso. Maybe it has something to do with vmlinuz or initrd (another guess).


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:20 am 
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Mine was installed with antix2usb-gui in ext2. The partition is seen alright but for some reason it can't read the iso.


Same for me secipolla. I was all night last night trying different usbs. Downloading a New AntiX rc3 iso to the IBM A22 and making the antiX2usb on it (ext2 also). What kills me is getting the nice grub splash screen. And like you get. Having it look like it is going to boot up. Then getting the can't find file system (arrrhg pulls hair out) and dropping me to limited root shell.
I watched the sun come up fighting this.

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:23 pm 
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Got a answer for the Grub Menu.lst from Plop Developer Elmar

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i used the menu.lst from the antix cd. i attached it
antix finds itself without changing the menu.lst



Code:
default 0
timeout 20
color cyan/blue white/blue
foreground ffffff
background 003f7d
gfxmenu /boot/grub/message

title  antiX
kernel /boot/vmlinuz quiet nosplash vga=791 aufs
initrd /boot/initrd.gz

title  antiX Extra Options
configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst.extra

title  antiX-Memtest (test system memory)
kernel /boot/memtest

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:34 pm 
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Thanks roky.
Anyway, if (when you recover from your sleepless night :) ) you try Elmar's method and it works for your machine that will solve your quest. There's no need for persistence if the goal is to be able to boot antiX for installing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:46 pm 
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I am still having a hell of a time with this :oops: . Just to Update. He asked for
AWWWW screw it. Here is a link to the thread which will explain better than I can
http://forum.plop.at/index.php/topic,150.0.html

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:16 pm 
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USB1.1 did NOT work for me. I get the "fall back to limited shell" that somebody else gets. I tried the same method with the same flash drive, but with a clonezilla.iso, and it works OK. I tried it with SliTaz.iso, and it worked OK. I tried it with antiX.iso, using USB2.0, and it worked OK.

My guess now is some sort of time-out involving antiX. Maybe USB1.1 just take too long, and antiX detects this ??? The other .iso's I used (that work OK) are smaller than antiX, so maybe that supports my guess.

Also, I used unetbootin, this time, via Linux Mint 8 Fluxbox instead of Windows - I just had to install p7zip-full.

I just used rawwritewin_0.7.exe to put plpbt.img onto a floppy. I haven't tried the Linux "dd" method yet, but I will when I get a chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:49 pm 
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Could the dependency based boot of the current RC be the underlying culprit. I don't really understand the boot process so well, but if its parallel at all, usb1.1 may not have the bandwidth...be interesting to try it with the current stable AntiX. That would eliminate the dependency based boot possibility, as the live CD on the current stable doesn't do dependency based boot.

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:08 pm 
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- CORRECTION -
I had posted that I booted in a usb 1.1 desktop but that was wrong.
I've just checked the mobo specs and it has usb 2.0.

My current desktop has usb 1.1 and gives the 'can't find MEPIS filesystem' error. So it's plausible that antiX's iso doesn't boot from a usb 1.1 port (at least through the 'fromiso' command which is the one I tested and the one antix2usb uses).

BTW, my usb install is from beta4 which I believe didn't have the dependency based boot configured in live mode.


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:12 pm 
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I just tried antiX-M8.2.iso, and it fails in the same way ('can't find MEPIS filesystem' error).

1) I tried booting from USB1.1 and it failed.
2) I tried booting from USB2.0, and succeeded.
3) Tried again from USB1.1, and it failed again.

Reminder: Dell GX100 SFF / USB1.1 on Mother Board / USB2.0 from PCI card.

Flash Drive was made with unetbootin from Linux Mint 8 Fluxbox. I used the same Windows generated floppy I have been using.


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:38 am 
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Tested all day with Elmar in Plop Boot Manager Forum.
Still no resolution yet to report on guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:00 am 
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I have a Knoppix 6.0 cd and so I installed it to the flashdrive (using the built-in tool flash-knoppix) and it worked flawlessly.

My desktop has USB 1.1 with a VIA controller and I'm loading PLoP from GRUB2.


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:04 am 
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Yes, It is looking more and more to be just a AntiX related problem with USB 1.1. My right hand is starting to ache with all the typing I have down working on this problem. The only thing I haven't tried is using other Linux distros because the first goal was to get a successful boot on USB 1.1 using AntiX Pendrive. Stuck with Persist Usb because at least I got to AntiX Grub Splash screen using Plop on USB 1.1.

After trying numerous cheatcodes, grub> entries, rewriting the iso
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# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
# cd /mnt
# mkdir iso
# mount -o loop antiX-M8.5-rc3.iso iso
# cp -ar iso/* .
#umount iso
#rmdir iso
#cd
#umount /mnt


Reinstalling grub
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#grub
#find /version
#(hd1,0)
#root root (hd1,0)
#setup (hd1)


which would just drop me to a grub prompt. And after entering kernel line from grub menu at grub prompt. It would just freeze there.

:oops: I guess I hit a dead end and need to turn around.

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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:51 pm 
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Thank you for coming up with PLoP, roky. It's a very functional tool.

If Warren comes to compile UHCI in a future kernel perhaps this will solve this issue and you could write this valuable tutorial. Meanwhile what could be done (by anyone of us, don't feel obliged to do it) is to install a Liquorix or specially a Debian kernel in a persistent antiX flash drive and then see if it boots fine in a USB 1.1 computer.

BTW, with a Debian kernel then I believe it would be installable in machines with K5/K6 processors.

-Edit- If it works fine then with a PLoP boot floppy and an antiX flash drive with the Debian kernel you may be able to revive old computers.
Then you could set up the flash drive and don't forget to do an 'apt-get clean' and uninstall the original kernel so you would save space for those small hd's.


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 Post subject: Re: Using plop boot manager to boot antiX from pendrive
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:12 pm 
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smxi has issues with the peristant flash drives. I tried using it this morning to try to install a kernel, but smxi complained of no mounted /boot/menu.lst . I'm not sure how to proceed from there, but I'm willing...I've got a persistent usb of "RC4" ready to go.

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