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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:54 pm 
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NeoFetch should be included by default and get it customized like you did for MX-16.
i can haz asciiart?

SamK wrote:
http://antix.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6930&hilit=focus

the former clarity of purpose seems to occupy a lower rank of importance.
The sharpness of focus that assisted antiX to prominence, no longer seems quite as sharp.


google search "puppy antix flexible linux mainstream" https://www.google.com/#q=puppy+antix+flexible+linux+mainstream
excerpt from the top search result:
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The level of users going to antiX forums now (especially with MX's iterations) has dropped to pure dumba## noob.
This is not a bad thing, but here in puppy land, you are required and expected to read about various things,
whereas in antiX this is not true (nor is it anticapitalista's & crew's mission anymore---they are trying to grow antiX to the mainstream).

Although Sam and I sometimes differ when assessing where to draw the line in the sand, in terms of improving usability vs coddling, I share his wonderment regarding the increasingly muddied goal(s) / identity of antiX. During my alpha-testing last night, upon discovering that "libreoffice --writer" has been preconfigured as the "default editor" for spacefm, I audibly sighed, then pressed/held the power button and shutdown the test pc.


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Well. Being a Puppy used to be user. Plus a long time AntiX user.

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I audibly sighed, then pressed/held the power button and shutdown the test pc.


I did the same thing. word for word. After dealing with half of the membership of right wing crazies over at murga now.

They might make a good distro and even have a great mission statement.
But if find that most of the members there are meaner than a bag of feral cats.
Life is too short to hang with haters and shunners.
I heard the word no there a lot in threads there.

So I walked away from Murga for some piece of mind. Drama is boring when one is trying to have some fun in life. Or online.

As far as your other points like default applications and stuff. I am a different user than most. One thing I learned. You cannot keep all users happy.
Just the nature of the beast.

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:44 pm 
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... grow antiX to the mainstream
- best laugh of the day! Thanks for that.

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:03 pm 
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Still having problems installing to Thinkpad x60t:

I've also tried it with AntiX Alpha 3. I've installed from DVD, USB, and installed it on a Hard Drive on another computer and then moved the hard drive back into the x60t. Did Boot Repair from MX-16 tools. Nothing seems to get AntiX 17 running ...

The freeze is at the almost blank screen except "_" in top left corner I think is right before x-windows starts.

I don't know, but It might be something with how the "hardware specific video module" "i915" KMS video module is installing?

Here's the Graphics inxi on 2 recent hardware installs that do work:

inxi -Gxxx (MX-16 32-bit April Snapshot iso dvd)
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Graphics:
Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID:8086:27a2
Display Server: x.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: [email protected]
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 12.0.3 Direct Rendering: Yes


inxi -Gxxx (AntiX 16.1 32-bit iso dvd)
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Graphics:
Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID:8086:27a2
Display Server: x.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: [email protected]
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes


I'm not sure what changed between AntiX 16.1 / MX-16 and Antix 17ax with the integrated Intel graphics but this 32-bit laptop won't boot into X-Windows (but the earlier ATI ones work fine out-of-the-box).

Is there an option to set in the install that can try to get it working?

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AntiX 32-bit on:
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IBM Thinkpads: 600x (2000), A31p (2003), T43p (2005);
Lenovo Thinkpads: T60p (2006), x60t (2007)*[graphic issues].
AntiX 64-bit on:
Lenovo Thinkpads: x301(2010)*[optical issues], w520(2012).


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:38 pm 
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Just a note to say that alpha3 is now available. :)

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:29 pm 
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Cause of the very similar hardware to Hierax_ca I installed antix-17-a2 to my lenovo t60
and boots fine.

Code:
$ inxi -Fxxx
System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.10.1-antix.1-486-smp i686 (32 bit gcc: 6.3.0)
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8+mod+20161220 dm: slim
           Distro: antiX-17.a2_386-full keerfa 19 March 2017
Machine:   Device: laptop System: LENOVO product: 1952V8N v: ThinkPad T60
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 1952V8N BIOS: LENOVO v: 79ETE7WW (2.27 ) date: 03/21/2011
           Chassis: type: 10
Battery    BAT0: charge: 46.1 Wh 100.0% condition: 46.1/56.2 Wh (82%) volts: 12.4/10.8
           model: Panasonic 42T4622 Li-ion serial: 1460 status: Full cycles: 0
           BAT1: charge: 20.5 Wh 95.7% condition: 21.4/31.3 Wh (68%) volts: 12.1/10.8
           model: SONY 45N1041 Li-poly serial: 1661 status: N/A cycles: 0
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 T7400 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 8645
           clock speeds: min/max: 1000/2167 MHz 1: 1667 MHz 2: 1333 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:27a2
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: [email protected]
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2
           GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.5 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:27d8
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.1-antix.1-486-smp
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 2000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:109a
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:15:58:c9:52:e8
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
           driver: iwl3945 v: in-tree:s bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:4227
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:1b:77:6e:ac:34
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (8.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SPCC_Solid_State size: 60.0GB
           serial: DB8C076106EE02462748
Partition: ID-1: / size: 11G used: 2.7G (27%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.38GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0C mobo: 36.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 2686
Info:      Processes: 155 Uptime: 4 min Memory: 206.1/3021.8MB
           Init: SysVinit v: 2.88 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Gcc sys: 6.3.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.111 running in lxterminal) inxi: 2.3.8



I didn't update anything. It shows another xorg-server
xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.2-1.0nosystemd1 is installed


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:34 pm 
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Is there an option to set in the install that can try to get it working?



Have you read up on how to use the F keys to use boot cheat codes for graphics issues. On a live session before running the installer?

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:45 pm 
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I did try a fail safe (which failed), can't remember if I did specific resolution modesetting or not, but I'll try some other options next time...

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AntiX 32-bit on:
Toshiba Tecra 780cdm/dvd (1998)
IBM Thinkpads: 600x (2000), A31p (2003), T43p (2005);
Lenovo Thinkpads: T60p (2006), x60t (2007)*[graphic issues].
AntiX 64-bit on:
Lenovo Thinkpads: x301(2010)*[optical issues], w520(2012).


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:10 pm 
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@Hierax_ca
Did you see in my post that it's nearly the same hardware especially the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 on the thinkpad t60 (2007) .I could install and boot into the installation without any special modulation.
Reallly have no idea whats going wrong with your installation, but I think its not the graphic part.


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-17-a2 32 bit only for testing.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:14 am 
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Yeah, I know it's really weird, I see it's a very similar graphics card, but what else would prevent x-windows from starting?

I've used the same Hard Drive with Antix17 installed on it and it works in T43p and a T60p both work no problem but they have ATI Radeons. (Even when I had the install problem with MX on the Thinkpad x301 because of the Optical Drive not working with Debian, I could still install USB or swap in the Hard Drive from it installed from another computer.)

The x60t only goes to the Grub screen absolutely no problem then tries to boot and freezes on the transition from the text screen to x-windows.

I just tried to boot iso again, and did the FN to choose the Video -> ask -> scan, and it doesn't even show a 1400x1050 option (my T60p which has the same resolution but ATI GPU does), but same result blanks out with "_" on screen.

It might not be GPU but what else? Maybe the "slim" for x-windows?

It shouldn't be the hardware itself being defective since AntiX 16.1 works, MX-16 works, and Linux Lite 3.4 (Ubuntu 16.04) also works. Something changed from Debian 8 AntiX and Debian 9, if not graphics and if even Fail Safe won't do it, what else? Like I said, weird.

I also tried Safe Video Mode, now this was at least different as the bottom of the screen has some unmoving static and the top of the screen is blank, but it freezes here too right before x-windows ... but if you wait a really long time (I went away to do something else, got distracted, and lost track of the time) it eventually boot as [email protected], upon reboot same thing takes over 4 minutes (!) to clear by the static and goes to 1024x768. So it seems like the 1400x1050 isn't being properly detected. (This is with Alpha 3, btw).

FWIW, xrandr gives "size 1400x1050 not found in available modes" and "failed to get size of gamma for output default". I edited the /etc/x11/org.conf to add a "1400x1050" option but that didn't help either.

Still weird but at least it boots now if not at the right resolution.

P.S. x61t (2008) also has i915 but a slighter newer version still has this problem (it's 64-bit computer so I won't be running AntiX17x32 on it but just thought I'd check, so it looks like an x-series problem that the T-series Thinkpads don't have (ATI from T43p and NVidea from T61p don't have the issue, I just iso checked that too).

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AntiX 32-bit on:
Toshiba Tecra 780cdm/dvd (1998)
IBM Thinkpads: 600x (2000), A31p (2003), T43p (2005);
Lenovo Thinkpads: T60p (2006), x60t (2007)*[graphic issues].
AntiX 64-bit on:
Lenovo Thinkpads: x301(2010)*[optical issues], w520(2012).


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