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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:02 am 
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OK - an easy one i trust. I LIKE my installs of antiX 7 at our school library (some final, some RC-2). I am thinking of adding KDE for students users. Can i do that without losing all my system tweaks?

I tried synaptic and apt-get to download KDE-base but had dependency problems, even after reloading. I think i tried apt-get update, i don't remember. I had the same problem with KDE-core and i DON'T want a full install of KDE. The dependency problems were that one package needed another, but of course the other packages each depended on the first -- a catch-22 situation.

I LIKE the new antiX-KDElite, but upgrading to that, even if i saved my home folder, would probably undo a lot of hard work -- programs i installed and network/printer adjustments.

Any ideas? I have one computer at home set up exactly like the school computers so i can experiment on it without messing up the "good"ones at school.

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If you want to add KDE stuff to a rc or antiX7 final it can be done, but with a few loops.

Post your /etc/apt/sources.list and we'll try to get it done.

It might simply involve uncommenting the Mepis repos,
apt-get update
apt-get install [name of kde apps]

Remember you can simulate by adding -s to the apt-get line.

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will do. Break is upon us in a few days, i'll let you know how things go.

ThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyou -- again! :)


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In just over a week it is Easter here (2 weeks paid holiday!!!!!) so let us know what is happening.

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Its a little tricky. You can install some base packages without too much trouble, but Mepis-Config has too many KDE packages tied to it and does not allow you to overwrite some key packages (like Konqueror) with those from Etch, Lenny, or Sid. Test it on your small box or do a VirtualBox install and experiment on that. It took me 17 steps to install the full KDE on antiX-base. Good Luck.

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Now Gnome is easy... but... its Gnome. Gnome has a foot as an avatar! :lol:

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Here's the sources.list

# See sources.list(5) for more information
# This file should be edited through synaptic
# MEPIS improvements, overrides and updates--the MEPIS magic
deb ftp://ftp.mepis.com/mepis/ mepis-7.0 main
# DEBIAN
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
# MPLAYER
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ stable main
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main
####
### Debian Sid/Unstable ####
###deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
###deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main
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Its a little tricky. You can install some base packages without too much trouble, but Mepis-Config has too many KDE packages tied to it and does not allow you to overwrite some key packages (like Konqueror) with those from Etch, Lenny, or Sid.

Yeah - a weakness for this Linux sophomore. I know those are repo's but don't know much about them or the advantages/disadvantages of each. My experience in most cases - esp. with WMs - is to try to find something preconfigured close to my needs, as it taxes my time far less. (That's one great thing about these Mepis take-offs!) Obviously, i'm now attempting just the opposite in spite of myself...


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Try commenting out "#" the mepis repo. Then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade then apt-get install kde........

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If you have the early M7 series then it would be a good idea to upgrade the kernel as it fixes the vmsplice issue.

This is what I would do.

1. Leave the repos as they are.

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

This should upgrade the Mepis kernel and a few other apps.

2. Comment out the Mepis repo.

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

This should bring antiX up to date and pull in any upgrades that were blocked by the Mepis repo.

3. apt-get install kde
will install all of kde.
If you just want a few apps then install them individually.

http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/showt ... p?p=113629

is how XToeCutter did it.

Be careful with removing mepisconfig as it will remove the apt/sources.list . It is ok to remove it, but make a back up of /etc/apt folder first.

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Whew!!!! Yeah!!! :) Done and not hard!

I followed your advice, anti, to a "T" - then went to XToeCutter's page and followed his with one exception...i installed KDE-core instead of the whole KDE package. Perhaps i should have installed just KDE-base but that seemed to be pretty sparse--??? I like having Control Center available, etc.

Performance seems optimal. I am using 7-15% of my 1 GHz processor and the most memory usage so far is 128 MB....does that sound about right to you? Cool-- because the machines at school are 1 GHz Celerons, some with only 256 RAM. That seems a bit low for Mepis 7, i am thinking--even if we had large enough HDs for it. (We scared up some old 2-3 GB drives for those boxes--i hope there's enough room in them to do this!) We don't need much storage space.

On a side note, this has been a frustrating week installing Windoze for staff computers. You have to install XP, then SP2, then Office, then block IE and install Firefox, adjust privileges, run selective startup, add the Security suite -- then the whole thing blows up in your face with an RPC failure -- on two different machines!! Gee, with Mepis/Linux i just load the OS, maybe add some packages, tweak the browser and walk away. (If one more person tells me, "but in the REAL world...!!!!" :x )

Well thanks again! Again, i LIKE the new KDE-lite antiX but with these machines already customized, this is probably the better way to go. Hopefully my performance/disk usage is about the same.

Blessings!


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I think that the performance for KDE is pretty good, but I haven't used KDE for a long time, so hopefully someone here who does could give you a better picture ie xToeCutter.

Glad it all went ok. You never know, you may want to remove it all for simply fluxbox in the future!

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yeah - a caveat...

I found i couldn't "safely remove" my usb device. I went to synaptic, installed hal-device manager and the recommended and suggested programs for HAL and all is fine.

However, when i go to terminal, type su, password, then rox or knoqueror--i get the following:

Xlib: connection to ":0,0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key

Note that i did the apt-key update but this seemed to not restore all...

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It does the same here, but from the run command type
kdesu konqueror
does that work? It does for me.

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Yup! And in icewm, i can't use "su" anymore, but "sux" works fine (probably in fluxbox, too...)
Thanks again. :)


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fluxbox and kde do not like working together with su for opening gui apps as root. sux works perfectly.

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