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 Post subject: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 2015)
PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:19 am 
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So far, I'm OK as well as my laptop. I only upgrade instead of dist-upgrade. I notice that rpcbind is depended on libsystemd0.

EDIT: correct info.


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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You could remove rpcbind. I don't think it us that useful

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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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rpcbind has been purged. Everything great!


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:51 pm 
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I am running Sid based AntiX and rpcbind works here along with libsystemd0. It is recommended you do dist-upgrade when you are running AntiX that's pointing to Sid repos as apt-get upgrade eventually breaks things.


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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Remember, I'm trying to stay away from everything systemd related.


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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TonyVanDam wrote:
Remember, I'm trying to stay away from everything systemd related.

If you running Sid it sure is hard to avoid systemd. I do wish Debian offered packages that aren't built with systemd as a dependency. Sysvinit is as oldschool as it goes :)


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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DeepDayze wrote:
TonyVanDam wrote:
Remember, I'm trying to stay away from everything systemd related.

If you running Sid it sure is hard to avoid systemd. I do wish Debian offered packages that aren't built with systemd as a dependency. Sysvinit is as oldschool as it goes :)


1. I stay away from everything KDE related and most thing GNOME related. It's pretty easy for me to do thus far since my favorite WMs are IceWM & Fluxbox.

2. The moment systemd becomes more difficult to avoid right before dist-upgrading, that is when I stopped updating.

And I'm dead serious about #2. I don't not want to have anything to do with a package that is seeking to be install against my wishes, hence why I cannot used most Debian-based distro anymore. Any of my current softwares and/or packages that starts to depend on systemd in future versions, I will purge it in the heartbeat.


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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Is it just systemd's take-over arrogance that bothers you, or does it actually do something wrong that violates user sanctity? I stick with sysvinit because all the negative reactions to systemd make me suspicious, but I don't actually KNOW of anything more than an implicit attitude problem.

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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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does it actually do something wrong that violates user sanctity?
If we rephrase "user sanctity" as "the sanctity of user's freedom of choice"
the central issue is succinctly described (not by me) within comment #45 on this linked page
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue ... 13&mode=68


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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Ah, so it's a Borg thing. Thanks skidoo, I get the drift.

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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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antiX-15 is totally free of systemd and it can also use eudev (rather than the systemd-udev). I'm using eudev on my antiX-sid without issues. I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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I get the distinct impression that this is an issue of more than symbolic importance. Sorry for my ignorance of the positions involved, but I have not felt comfortable venturing into Debian sites. Conflicts, arguments, disparaging remarks, etc. are not attractive or inspiring to me. Apparently, there are several viable alternatives to systemd with adherents strongly behind them, so freedom of choice will continue. I think I understand why proponents of systemd want to establish a single standard, but efficiency isn't the only valid criterion of judgement. Diversity also has strengths. It is not surprising that there is a lack of agreement on this issue.

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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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eric52 wrote:
Is it just systemd's take-over arrogance that bothers you, or does it actually do something wrong that violates user sanctity? I stick with sysvinit because all the negative reactions to systemd make me suspicious, but I don't actually KNOW of anything more than an implicit attitude problem.


My professional reason for dislike systemd is because I do NOT like the idea of a package being automatically installed during a d-u. The very least that a distro like Debian should have done is to have systemd available as optional for the user instead of making it mandatory like distros Fedora & Red Hat have been doing.

I prefer to stick with sysvinit simple because there was never anything wrong with it in either of my computers to begin with.


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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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To quote Frank Zappa: "Without deviation progress is not possible."

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 Post subject: Re: BEWARE: libsystemd0 is part of the next d-u (Dec. 4, 201
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Looks like Xorg in Sid now has libsystemd0 as a dependency thus pulling in systemd...


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