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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:58 pm 
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Adding info to secipolla message:

Add this to xorg.conf too:

Code:
Section "ServerFlags"
    Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false"
EndSection


In my case dosn´t works without it

Bye

Leanddro, Argentina


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:07 pm 
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Confirming good install of antiX-M85-486-update on the P166 with 48M edo ram, using a swap about 300MB, using a Smart Boot Manager floppy to boot up the live cd.

Without SBM floppy, got only "loading Stage 2 loading Stage 2".

Also success with antiX-core-486-b1 and of antiX-base-486-update 27July2010 installs using SBM.

Inxi -F from the console on this full version gives Memory 35.3/42.3 MB with icewm and the default services running. Very slow response or freeze up, ie not good enough to use much.

After rebooting into runlevel 3, was able to use sysv-rc-conf to turn off a lot of services/processes/daemons in both runlevels 3 and 5 for the next boot. After rebooting into runlevel 5, inxi -F in console gave 24.9/42.3MB. The extra ram wiggle room allows faster responses ie bringing up programs, but very limited usability within a gui. Conky did not report any swap activity, although I did hear a lot of HD read/write noise while waiting. Cli apps in the console very happy tho'.

So, one can install with 48M ram with help from SBM floppy, but to use ?


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:28 am 
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I found Elinks Browser pretty quick with low spec gear. Supports Images and Login at a lot of spots also. Elinks is in AntiX apt-get. Can't remember right now if it comes in base-upgrade iso out of the box.

http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html
http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/07/eli ... owser.html

I think Secipolla or one of the other members gave you some links for playing movies and such through downloading movie and playing through terminal also.

I listen to Audio Books (science fiction) using xmms player

http://www.archive.org/details/George-O ... Audio-book

http://www.e-book.com.au/freebooks.htm

http://librivox.org/

But if you mean but to use that everything crawls. Can't help you there.
Fluxbox should run OK on those specs I would think because Damn Small Linux uses Fluxbox. DWM should run ok also.

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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:48 pm 
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I cannot get xkbset to work, using antiX-M8.5-486-update on either the P200MMX/128M ram or the P166/48M ram.
The same using antiX-M8.5-686-update on a Celeron P111/567MHz/256M ram.

This is a fresh xkbset from Debian squeeze (also sid). Tried without and with the suggested additional deb file perl-tk. Three different boxes, different keyboards.

I believe I used this before OK on the previous versions, pre-update.

These are Accessibility features such as mousekeys, sticky keys and more.

Anybody got the same experience? Suggestions?

Edit: Did get xkbset to work with antiX-M8.5-686-update , but on a Dell P4, 3.2GHz, 1Gig DDR2 ram. Same software, same install media, and same HD, otherwise much more "powerfull" hardware. No idea why the difference. Aye, weel.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:59 am 
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Rok said earlier: :"I think Secipolla or one of the other members gave you some links for playing movies and such through downloading movie and playing through terminal also."
I haven't found Secipolla's message, maybe it was for someone else, somewhere else, but sure am interested. Please let me know more.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:17 pm 
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I've been exploring the Accessibility tools available within Linux, ie aids for vision, hearing, motor-skill impairments, etc. So far, I've not been able to find standalone programmes, except xkbset.

Experimented first using a Dell P4, 3.2MHz, 1G ram, and quite pleased a friend with MS.
(Using antiX-M8.5-686-update, and the following software.)

So, all from debian squeeze:
-gnome-core (but not gdm, slim works fine)
-gnome accessibility
-kde-accessibility
-kde-plasma-desktop (further than really necessary, ah well).

Installed on top of antiX-M8.5-486-update, onto the P200MMX, 128M ram, 10G HD, 1G swap, usb pci card, usb flashdrive for file transfers.

Guess what, still cannot get mousekeys to work on this P1, other than a once-upon-a time twitch of the cursor. Therefore usb mouse. (No problem on the souped-up P4, 'tho.)


Ram usage from inxi -F:
-gnome ---> 64.1/121.6MB
-kde --> 79.5/121.6MB.

KDE apps usage (esp within KDE) is very slow, but gets there. Swap usage varies of course, eg 0.05 GB (5%) .... of 1G swap.

Feels weird at first to try eg dolphin, konqueror or kwrite within icewm/rox. Now got a lot of redundant apps (but obligatory as dependencies). Nice to find kde is offered as modules, 'tho big ones.

I see this as antiX clad in many colours. Gee, look at the size of that menu now.

Hey, this is KDE 4.4.5 and Gnome-whatever working on a 200MHz CPU, 128M ram.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:14 pm 
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A possible stand-alone app for disability aids.
At debian squeeze I found AutoKey-gtk, “a desktop automation utility ....allows the automation of virtually any task by responding to typed abbreviations and hotkeys”. Works as a startup service/daemon, so can be turned on/off:; command autokey -c brings up a GUI configuration dialog.

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Appropriate esp.for low ram users would be help with those pesky command line options.
-antiX-upgrade includes xman, a manual browsing tool.
-Debian squeeze also has gman, more features.
-Also cli-companion, as found by malspa at mepislovers.org (qv thread “clicompanion”). Get from launchpad.net; needs a pile of pythons, nothing exotic.
All are xwindow apps.
edit #2---kmather at the clicompanion thread mentions fireman, a firefox extension

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re midori.
Has more features, is larger and does pop up noticeably slower than dillo on the P200 (Iceape is excruciating ‘tho). A decent compromise for small ram/slower cpu’s ?

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re gaming on P200, well solitaire games, since action games do not do well here. From Ubuntu.
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Pysol is stuck in Lenny. You can install it and dependencies onto Squeeze, with one broken package -python-tk (it’s a battle of pythons thing, older combined with newer). it works fine, and it doesn’t matter unless you’ve got eg scribus which needs some of those dep’s and they conflict.

Pysolfc from Ubuntu Lucid/Maverick works if you use the debian versions of python, not the Ubuntu ones; ie use the pysolfc.deb from Ubuntu, but all the other dependencies from debian. I downloaded the debs needed separately to HD. The melding works. Synaptic reports no brokens.

edit.. re downloading eg pysolfc. Just in case ya didn't know about the old-fashioned way.
I went to packages.ubuntu.com and packages.debian.org, browsed around, compared, copied the files to HD and then the dpkg installing. No apt-get, no synaptic needed.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:31 pm 
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Good post there drg. A lot of food for thought in this thread for the wiki. :)

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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Finally found another possible stand-alone app for disability aids.

-xzoom from debian lenny/squeeze."Like xmag, xzoom magnifies a section of the X display", "magnify part of X display, with real-time updates".

So far only three stand-alones. Help finding more please.

This topic really needs another thread, but I have been trying these out on low cpu/ram thingies.

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I have been installing a lot (very lot) of applications on the P200, specific to KDE/Gnome. Offices, utilities, well a lot. They are working and I am able to and am using them with 128 M ram. The list is long, and for sure that does not mean everything can be handled well, but the number of workable apps are quite good. My opinion, of course. For the record.

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re gaming on the P200, feel like adding action games: Viruskiller and xbill (killbill a long time ago). Mouse cursor response is very slow, makes it more challenging to continually lose out.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:48 am 
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HDT, a handy diagnostic utility, including memtest. Works on low ram/cpu machines quite well, have tried on Pentium 1's (and up). Fits on a floppy. Therefore am reporting it here.

hdt-project.org.

"HDT (stands for Hardware Detection Tool) is a Syslinux com32 module that displays low-level information for any x86 compatible system. It provides both a command line interface and a semi-graphical menu mode for browsing."

Can be used from bootable media including floppy disk, USB, CD, etc. Or installed onto and used from your HDD, and invoked from the grub menu, same way as memtest.

For those who missed it, Mepis 10.9.70 alpha offered it from livedvd. Already included in eg Ultimate boot CD, Parted Magic.

Excellent explanations, screenshots and instructions at their site.

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Another possible addition to disability aids,:

accerciser
“an interactive Python accessibility explorer for the GNOME desktop
It uses AT-SPI to inspect and control widgets, allowing you to check if an application is providing correct information to assistive technologies and automated test frameworks. Accerciser has a simple plugin framework which you can use to create custom views of accessibility information.”

Not “stand-alone”. However, gnome works not bad at all on my low cpu/ram test machines.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:37 am 
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Hi there! New to this forum! :)

I am trying to install antiX 8.5 (486, Full) to a PI 200Mhz computer (originally 100MHz) with no luck. The machine has 73Mb memory so that shouldn't be a problem. I have seen some people having luck with computers lower speced than this.

Since the computer cannot boot anything from CD (it should, but BIOS seems screwed) I am using PLoP 5.0.7 Boot Manager on a floppy to kick-start CDs. What happens is that I can quickly see "Stage 2 Loading..." or something like that, and then a Grub Bash terminal appears. End of story.

Can anybody help me further? I have been able to install anything from Puppy to Debian 5 on this machine so things can be installed.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:32 pm 
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Maybe try a Smart Boot Manager floppy . It has helped me a few times.
Have a read at :
http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html

Also, check out the ram with memtest.

http://hdt-project.org/

But installs have worked before. Hm, repetition till it sticks. Bad cdrom read? Hardware something -or-other.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:21 am 
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drg:
Thank you. Unfortunately I am having some problems with SMB, and always had. For some reason SMB does not recognize my CD/CD drive (don't know which) at all, and that's the reason I started using PLoP. SMB does not recognize my HD partitions correcly either though. I told you something with my BIOS (probably) is screwed ;) I am using the newest version of BIOS, and I couldn't find a patched one either so I guess I will have to live with that. As a side note I can tell the computer has always been like this. Back in the days it couldn't boot Win95/Win98 CDs directly either.

Let us assume that SMB would work. What would be different from PLoP? Isn't the sole purpose of a Boot Manager to "get things going"? Once it has started loading from the CD they should all be the same, shouldn't they? Did I get it all wrong?

Why should I run Memtest? BIOS seem to be recognizing all of my memory, what could go wrong then? Also, I have had luck with some other distros before, and they also indicated full memory (I used the application "hardinfo"). Please explain it to me.

The CD in itself is working. I tried it in VirtualBox and it ran flawlessly.

PS. The other day I installed Vector LInux on this machine w/o any issues. It does not boot, but that's another story ;) I know the reason for that.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:01 am 
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KingBongo, I personally cannot explain just how utilities work or do not work: try 'em is what I am saying, and I'd love to learn of more options available and where to get 'em.

Memtest only tests your "73Mb memory ", and does it separately from your bios, which in itself may be having its problems on the "PI 200Mhz computer (originally 100MHz)".

There are two versions of "antiX 8.5 (486, Full)" available, and I tested both with two PI's last night, 64M ram, no problems on P200MMX or a P166.

Also, I am just another user learning by trial and error, not an expert.

Edit
Sorry, forgot to ask. Am curious about the specs, eg it started life as a P100, what kind of ram, howcome 73M, what bios, etc. Am asking 'cause I'm hoping to run across earlier PI's, earliest I've got is a P133, love reviving when all works out.


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 Post subject: Re: antix-m8.5-486 on old hardware
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:48 am 
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Ok. I am a lot like you, trail and error :) I just thought that maybe you could answer my questions. I will try out some more stuff then. Thanks. Are there two versions of "antiX 8.5 (486, Full)" available? Where? I did miss that.

Some information about my system:

- It started out as a P100, 16Mb RAM (4x4Mb). It has four memory slots. BIOS is some version of AMIBIOS, don't remember which.

- Then, a long time ago, I upgraded it to 73Mb by replacing 2x4Mb with 2x32Mb RAM.

- Recently, when I woke it up to life again, a kind guy from the Puppy community sent me a 200MHz processor he had laying around. That really made a difference!

- I also tried to replace 2x4Mb RAM sticks with 2x64Mb (from eBay), but that didn't work out. I guess 128Mb RAM is maximum on this motherboard+BIOS combo. It seems it cannot handle anything bigger than 32Mb RAM sticks. The 32Mb maximum probably is confirmed by the manual for the motherboard (nothing above 32Mb is listed), but I tried to be smarter :) Things like that work sometimes though. For example, the manual does not state that a 200MHz processor would work, but it does!

- Nex step, if any, is to get another 2x32Mb RAM so I will have 128Mb in total. Although I had hoped 256Mb would work, 128Mb is enough for many distros :)

The reason I am not sticking to Puppy, which really does work well, is that I am a Debian fan!


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