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 Post subject: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:14 am 
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Howdie from an Arch Linux user, web designer and distro taster!
antiX-15 Killah confirms the goodness I've foreseen in a quick test last winter.

...whith a few quite unfriendly glinches for the newcomer, eeh!

Arriving on antiX-15 Killah P Live on an super errrr fast Atom Z520 (slowest cpu in 2010 with clumsy intel gma500 graphics). That the OS supports wonderfully yeah!

First step, check the home page for news, doc and community.
Eeeh! Home Page takes over a minute to start loading. « Hou-da! Browsing for info and support gonna take forever... ». Okay, later got the news for the freeforum issue that is getting better. Note that Mepis-AntiX fofo itself loads instantly.
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After that wait, home page loaded but nowhere to read or navigate on a 1366*768 screen (not even a 1024*600) : eeeeh, what a design! If that nicky-smally text is supposed to be read above everything else, then make it readable please! or put it away.
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Login page they say, ha... Mama where's the first login field?

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Finaly found where are the forums hidden below the insightfull headers, clicked on a first interesting subject and Seaweasel already asks « Do you really wanna leave this page ? » eeeh, why? Clic « No », browser re-asks, « No ! » and like this all the time until I go to another, friendlier place. Then while I'm writing on another domain, browser takes me back to antix fofo « Do you really want ... » hou-daaa! Ooookay I know, should install some ad-filter add-on, but I'm just testing a live (and many do not use these, 90% I've read somewhere). On AntiX Live, Seaweasel crashed twice in minutes. Let me look a bit at a couple of the nice distro's hand-made scripts (like 'screenshot' :)

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Out of curiosity, installed Lightbeam and opened antix home page (live user PoV) just once: tracked by that number of third partiy entities? on a single page? I know live isn't cheap, but hey, still: ads != tracking me and I haven't seen a p2p site with as many trackers / ads / talking ads (with Flashblock ON) than AntiX's home page.

Brilliant devs and sysadmins aren't best at communication, confirmed :D

Yeah I'll keep away from the forum unless there's some tool like [url=https://gaenserich.github.io/hostsblock/
]hostsblocks[/url]? If not I'll put µblock, BlueHell Firewall, disconnect and more under some real test :) But I like the way this distro *runs* great. BTW have been seeding the distro for a few days, 40 GB so far.

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:08 am 
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antixcc>Network>Adblock Button>Password>Take a pick from 4 adblock hosts sites.
How easy is that?
Forum slowness? I covered that also.

Howdy and Welcome from the scooter tramp mod here drinking Texas bourbon as he types this out so he did not grok your post real well as he has 3 sheets in the wind on a Friday night.

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:29 am 
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Stick with it, you'll soon be installing it instead of that other one. :)

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:57 pm 
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To see firsthand what you described, I temporarily disabled my browser extensions...
Hell no, I would not be able to tolerate that (slow loading, visual noise, embedded 3rd party snoops).
Thanks for the eye-opener. I had no idea how sleazy the freeforums "free" platform has become.

I couldn't replicate that wierd, top-center, box with scrollbars shown in your screenshot, though.
In any event, the free hosted platform is "turnkey"; doesn't provide forum admin much opportunity to apply customizations.


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:42 am 
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skidou wrote:
1. To see firsthand what you described, I temporarily disabled my browser extensions...
Hell no, I would not be able to tolerate that (slow loading, visual noise, embedded 3rd party snoops).
Thanks for the eye-opener. I had no idea how sleazy the freeforums "free" platform has become.

2. I couldn't replicate that wierd, top-center, box with scrollbars shown in your screenshot, though.
3. In any event, the free hosted platform is "turnkey"; doesn't provide forum admin much opportunity to apply customizations

1. Smart of you skidou. As for my eyes and ears, forum promptly closed them (ears too since ads speak...) at least "free"forums makes visible what other disguise behind good looking smiles and rhetoric, like Google. Both say "free" since our time and bandwith we give it to them freely, ha ha haaa.
2. some add loading in an frame I think
3. Why would they? eeeh

fatmac wrote:
Stick with it, you'll soon be installing it instead of that other one. :)

I have a stick loaded with it and boot parameters set to auto load FR. We'll see what it does when I start it on the PCs they have at a facility that repair all kinds of (nice) throwed stuff nearby I'm voluntering in.

Tried to come back to the forum with Palemoon and Gaesenring's Hostsblock loaded on an Arch litle box and believe me: took me over an hour to answer *this* post. 1/20 writing, 10/20 fightin the « Do you really wanna leave this page ? » JS pop-up forcibly reopening this tab, and rest of the time to read Pentadactyl integration notes with NoScript that do not integrate on the version installed. Totaly messed up; first site for which I *have to* use Noscript since over ten years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:42 am 
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Iceweasle with UbLOCK origin.
What garbage?


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:57 am 
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@Shay I'm so glad it works for you. But it's enough for third-parties share-holders if 50% of AntiX forum visitors do not have µBlock/APB/Disconnect/BlueHell.

Privacy talking, Freeforum connects to more third-parties than the top five third parties sharing web sites that were used as a test case for LightBeam development. The five taken together. Man, that's what I call open }-) and the test was done with a fully loaded OS-level hostsblock, remember?
117 third-parties, I took the time to get the list:
Code:
    2mdn.net
    acuityplatform.com
    ad4mat.net
    adadvisor.net
    adap.tv
    adc-srv.net
    adform.net
    adnxs.com
    adsafeprotected.com
    adsrvr.org
    adsymptotic.com
    adtechus.com
    advertising.com
    afy11.net
    agkn.com
    ani-view.com
    anntaylor.com
    anthropologie.com
    atemda.com
    audienceiq.com
    ballarddesigns.com
    basebanner.com
    bidswitch.net
    bidtheatre.com
    bluekai.com
    bnmla.com
    bonton.com
    cabelas.com
    caesars.com
    carters.com
    casalemedia.com
    casimages.com
    cgstatic.com
    champssports.com
    chango.com
    contextweb.com
    crateandbarrel.com
    criteo.com
    crowdreport.com
    crwdcntrl.net
    dashbida.com
    dotomi.com
    doubleclick.net
    doubleverify.com
    eddiebauer.com
    emerse.com
    erne.co
    exelator.com
    express.com
    facebook.com
    fidelity-media.com
    footaction.com
    footlocker.ca
    footlocker.com
    gap.com
    google-analytics.com
    googlesyndication.com
    infolinks.com
    kau.li
    kidsfootlocker.com
    komoona.com
    lijit.com
    liveadexchanger.com
    liverail.com
    luxurymotorcarz.com
    markandgraham.com
    mathtag.com
    media6degrees.com
    mepis.org
    moatads.com
    newrelic.com
    officedepot.com
    openx.net
    owneriq.net
    patagonia.com
    pippio.com
    placed.com
    potterybarn.com
    potterybarnkids.com
    pubmatic.com
    quantserve.com
    qvc.com
    reelfeed.tv
    revsci.net
    rhythmxchange.com
    rlcdn.com
    rocketadserver.com
    rtbbaltic.com
    ru4.com
    rubiconproject.com
    rx22dc.com
    securedvisit.com
    securepaths.com
    sharethis.com
    simpli.fi
    sitescout.com
    smartclip.net
    solocpm.com
    staples.com
    statcounter.com
    tapad.com
    tictacti.com
    toysrus.com
    tribalfusion.com
    turn.com
    twitter.com
    ulta.com
    underarmour.com
    univide.com
    urbanoutfitters.com
    viglink.com
    w55c.net
    wayfair.com
    williams-sonoma.com
    yabidos.com
    yahoo.com
    yashi.com

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Setting up a digital workshop at the local DIY house. How to refurbish good ol' boxes' part of what I learn.
antiX and MX do let apps shine, even on non-sse2 AMD Athlon/HDD; it's freackin brilliant!
Seeding antiX16-i386-base (in gig): 26 and MX15: 123.


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:33 am 
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Yes a few of those do show up as blocked.


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:54 pm 
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the test was done with a fully loaded OS-level hostsblock
With HOSTS file blocking, you're inviting the prospect of continually chasing your tail.
Today you block hostname ads.nastyads.com, tomorrow you'll be back, adding 2345hj.nastyads.com and oiud.nastyads.cc and...

Using RequestPolicy or ublock or policeman instead, you start from a "default deny" position and,
when creating permissive rules, you can create wildcarded rules like *.cc or *.nastyads.com

cgstatic.com
Do you know who (what) that site is?
It serves as CDN for freeforums.org css images/assets.
FYI, that's the only permissive 3rd pary allowance (permissive rule) needed when visiting *.freeforums.org forums.
For the sake of avoiding need to create temporary rules so that I can view screenshots embedded into posts, I've also added rules to allow freeforums pages to load assets from:
imgur.com
photobucket.com
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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:11 pm 
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Sorry for posting late, error when I tried [1]

I raised the point for IMHO AntiX is praised and taken as one of the best collaborative, secure and privacy conscious OS, and one that allow forworking on small boxes. True, but when you open AntiX home page: the UI (font, layout), network connections and sharing data to half the world's third parties spiers makes the newcomer, well, frustrated. And doubtfull of the OS power and connection capabilities. At more or less degree, (s)he will associate AntiX with all the previous (just like for some nice guy... with a nasty odour)
Also What when we let the Live version to non tech people to try it by themself?

Actualy hostsblocks by Gaenserich is an script that auto build a / etc/hosts(.block) and can be used with whether a super tiny pixel server, or DNS cacher. I have had a smooth and fast surfing on the few browsers and profiles I use ever since I installed it years ago. Without bothering to install, configure and update browser tools on each and every profiles used. Link to the script posted again as I miss-typed it somehow on my first post. Yeah CDN known (web projects manager here) Hope you don't mind taking casimages.com (a French sharing images, used in my posts to post the screens) in your white lists.

[1] Couldn't post last night:
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You don't have permission to access /posting.php on this server.

Thanks @antikapitalist for the clear answer

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:21 pm 
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Did you try antixcc>Network>Adblock Button suggested by roky a few posts up?

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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:31 pm 
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What when we let the Live version to non tech people to try it by themself?

We can tell 'em to do that but many won't do.
2. People coming on the forum from their OS, a friend's or collegue's PC or smartphone (i should try from my Lumia for fun)

A solution could be to make use of this in a open, self-humour way. As it's an excellent forum for benchmarking Do Not Track Me tools (which I started to do incidently).

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Setting up a digital workshop at the local DIY house. How to refurbish good ol' boxes' part of what I learn.
antiX and MX do let apps shine, even on non-sse2 AMD Athlon/HDD; it's freackin brilliant!
Seeding antiX16-i386-base (in gig): 26 and MX15: 123.


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 Post subject: Re: antiX-15 Killah is a killing-*** piece of work
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:43 pm 
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Couldn't post last night:
You don't have permission to access /posting.php on this server.
sigh. it is a known forum bug. happens when "slash followed by etc" is present in an attempted message post


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Yeah, I hear ya (about casimages.com). Day to day, while running RequestPolicy or ublock or policeman, it's often necessary to tweak the whitelist rules.

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Without bothering to install, configure and update browser tools on each and every profiles used
years ago, before wide adoption of https, pixelserv redirection was somewhat effective
(but redirecting and serving "single-pixel images" only provides minimal benefit)
and nowadays, pixelserv alone (without stunnel, a cert, and adding that cert to browser's trusted list) is not an effective solution.
We need a proxy + localhost CDN solution which also scrapes/monitors 3p scripts hosted on jsdelivr.net, ajax.google.com, etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:15 pm 
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Posting from AntiX 15
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Did you try antixcc>Network>Adblock Button suggested by roky a few posts up?

Yeap, now how do I know if it works?
/ etc/hosts* are unchanged (dated from June)
top shows no particular process (obviously if the tool is hosts based)
Iceweasel ate 100% CPU for about 10 min (unusable) then it's goes down to much lower at 2-9 %, then high CPU again. Showed the « Are you sure you wanna quit this page » a few since I started this post.
Lightbeam shows 139 third parties for antix.freeforum after I surfed 3 pages.

EDIT: System script launched, detail in my post below.

Fact is the UI (tiny blury fonts, layout) which was half of my feedback, was totally bypassed for now. I'll come back on this but let's wait and see if a concerned voice shows up. In the meantime, I'll present it at older non-tech active people, looking at their faces with interest ;)

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With HOSTS file blocking, you're inviting the prospect of continually chasing your tail.
Today you block hostname ads.nastyads.com, tomorrow you'll be back, adding 2345hj.nastyads.com and oiud.nastyads.cc and...

Using RequestPolicy or ublock or policeman instead, you start from a "default deny" position and,
when creating permissive rules, you can create wildcarded rules like *.cc or *.nastyads.com

Day to day, while running RequestPolicy or ublock or policeman, it's often necessary to tweak the whitelist rules.

We need a proxy + localhost CDN solution which also scrapes/monitors 3p scripts hosted on jsdelivr.net, ajax.google.com, etc.

@Skidoo what working solution do you use that has this, proxy + CDN included?

Also here are some of hostsblock's main features (taken from the link above, as I see you've been curious to get a look at this solution ;))
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* Extensive configurability (allows for custom black and white listing, redirection, post-processing scripting, target HOSTS file, etc.)
* High performance blocking (when using dns caching and pseudo-server daemons)
* add or remove blocked domains with
Code:
$ sudo hostsblock-urlcheck "http://www.example.org"

to check if "http://www.example.org" and any domains present on this page are blocked or unblocked and to change them accordingly.

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antiX and MX do let apps shine, even on non-sse2 AMD Athlon/HDD; it's freackin brilliant!
Seeding antiX16-i386-base (in gig): 26 and MX15: 123.


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